This is pretty much my perspective too. I've got nothing to lose either, but will stay, for now. Probably until I'm kicked off. I'm prepared to be elsewhere.
Interesting thoughts, Jaanus. I too have seen a rapid slide to things becoming ever more hateful, and it makes me too wonder whether there is really value to be had there. I would like to know what our Ukrainian friends think of a move though, if they would come with us and be glad of the changing scenery? If we bring the dogs and the Defenders all over to greener pastures and bluer skies, then I am content to let Musk's dumpster fire burn itself down, but I would want to be sure that those we came to help are in agreement with our decision to depart. Perhaps as a way to assess that, you could post on Twitter a synopsis/link to the stack here, ask people to read it, and then have a poll on whether we should stay there or migrate en masse. Having some options like, "Ukrainian, thinks you should stay", "Ukrainian, thinks we should move", "NAFO, thinks we should stay", "NAFO, thinks we should move" might also be good, so that we can see how those we're trying to help see things in relation to how we ourselves see it.
In any event, I'll be mulling over your thoughts here for a bit, as I myself am unsure. Thank you for the argument though, as it is one we all ought to consider.
I’m reluctant to do a poll because content on Twitter is suppressed and I am sure the results will not be representative.
I will in any case not close my account on Twitter, as I say at the end of the post. I’ll still be lurking there and helping the 🇺🇦 defenders and pushing back on russian poison where it makes sense.
Yeah, makes sense. Elon has so severely messed with things, it is hard to know how well things are really getting around anymore. I'll also be lurking on there for a while still, even if I do ultimately decide to ditch it for good. I want to see what good it looks like there still is to be had there by fighting the fight, but if it seems like we're better off all leaving together, then that's that.
This is pretty much my perspective too. I've got nothing to lose either, but will stay, for now. Probably until I'm kicked off. I'm prepared to be elsewhere.
Interesting thoughts, Jaanus. I too have seen a rapid slide to things becoming ever more hateful, and it makes me too wonder whether there is really value to be had there. I would like to know what our Ukrainian friends think of a move though, if they would come with us and be glad of the changing scenery? If we bring the dogs and the Defenders all over to greener pastures and bluer skies, then I am content to let Musk's dumpster fire burn itself down, but I would want to be sure that those we came to help are in agreement with our decision to depart. Perhaps as a way to assess that, you could post on Twitter a synopsis/link to the stack here, ask people to read it, and then have a poll on whether we should stay there or migrate en masse. Having some options like, "Ukrainian, thinks you should stay", "Ukrainian, thinks we should move", "NAFO, thinks we should stay", "NAFO, thinks we should move" might also be good, so that we can see how those we're trying to help see things in relation to how we ourselves see it.
In any event, I'll be mulling over your thoughts here for a bit, as I myself am unsure. Thank you for the argument though, as it is one we all ought to consider.
Thank you for your comment.
I’m reluctant to do a poll because content on Twitter is suppressed and I am sure the results will not be representative.
I will in any case not close my account on Twitter, as I say at the end of the post. I’ll still be lurking there and helping the 🇺🇦 defenders and pushing back on russian poison where it makes sense.
Yeah, makes sense. Elon has so severely messed with things, it is hard to know how well things are really getting around anymore. I'll also be lurking on there for a while still, even if I do ultimately decide to ditch it for good. I want to see what good it looks like there still is to be had there by fighting the fight, but if it seems like we're better off all leaving together, then that's that.
My perspective is - once enough of us leave the only target for their hate becomes each other.
Yes, I think it will end up exactly like that. A hate echo chamber. Good luck to them